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Nov. 2nd, 2004

Hooray for voting your conscience.

GO BADNARIK!

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mordath
Nov. 2nd, 2004 11:43 am (UTC)
Badnarik rocks the house! Three times the joy! ^_^
sangochan
Nov. 2nd, 2004 11:52 am (UTC)
Trying some last-minute swaying of people... not going to work probably, but anything's possible!
haibane_rachan
Nov. 2nd, 2004 11:55 am (UTC)
WOOOHOOO!!!! *still spazzing all over the place*

I love how biased our whole little group is. Like, on your poll, it looks like Badnarik should win, but if you zoom out to the rest of the US, it's like "Not eeeeeeeeven". I like it this way, though. It's so cool that I know so many people who support Badnarik.
mordath
Nov. 2nd, 2004 12:51 pm (UTC)
I've been thinking about that a lot lately. A lot.

I think that, on the whole, it's because our little circle tends towards the younger end of the voter scale, and the two major parties really don't make much of an effort to reach us as a group. Mostly because the 18-30 (or whatever the normal cutoff is) group doesn't tend to vote.

And that, I think, is because we, as a group, don't see either of the two major parties supporting the issues we feel are important, or taking stances that we agree on. They're too busy taking centrist "whatever makes the most people happy, or at least not unhappy enough to vote for the other guy" positions. They don't say "I'm for this" or "I'm against that." They say things like "I've considered both sides of the issue and *blahblahfiftyminuteslater* It's a complex issue."

Third parties take stances. They support issues, very clearly. They're against things, very clearly. They have to be - that's how they gain support. And it attracts younger voters, who on the whole have a sense of disdain for the Good Old Boys Club that is DC.
brentdax
Nov. 2nd, 2004 01:16 pm (UTC)
While this is certainly a factor, I also think that the simple fact that we use this medium is also a big factor.

The Internet elite, the people who write the standards and the software, are libertarian-leaning. They think cryptography is a right, not a privilege; they say things like "the Internet treats censorship as damage and routes around it"; they black out their web pages when their rights are under fire. In the physical realm, they're often against gun control and surveillance.

The adept Internet user (like most of my friends) is a person who is self-sufficient in many ways. They know how to get information on their own, instead of having it spoon-fed to them. Consider sites like factcheck.org, for example, or any of the many blogs online. These people know information--how to find it, how to check it, and how to rebut it.

The first group is naturally attracted to simple, logical structures--ones like the Internet they designed. The LP has a simple, logical philosophy ("if it doesn't violate someone's rights, it's none of the government's business"), and it supports their opinions on information freedom, so they think it's a good idea.

The second group knows when they're being lied to and doesn't like it. Major-party politicians lay the lies on thick and fast, while third parties tend to be honest. These people eschew the major parties, and many of them take a cue from the elite or decide to go libertarian themselves.
chiave_trust
Nov. 2nd, 2004 08:57 pm (UTC)
Actually, I didn't vote today.

Why? I'm of age, right? Well, it's because in DE, my vote would not have counted AT ALL, and American politics consists of mud-slinging between the Republican and Democratic party candidates (go to a local high school and ask about any of the other parties - not the candidates, just the parties, and see if ANYONE AT ALL knows that such parties did exist. Don't just do this with DE schools, but the schools around you.)

So I didn't bother registering this year and so I didn't vote.

(I know this is kinda random, but it kinda segues into the major-parties lines and how some people eschew them and all of that, I think.)
vorkon
Nov. 2nd, 2004 09:23 pm (UTC)
It's a little late for me to say it now, but if you're so upset about the mudslinging between the democrats and republicans, then why don't you try to do something about it? I've said it before, but the only reason third parties don't have a chance is because people in general don't take them seriously. And if they don't start getting their numbers up, no one ever will. Everyone knows that Badnarik isn't going to win, but if third parties start to, and consistently get a sizable portion of the popular vote, then one day people might start taking them seriously. If people keep on waiting until the day when they stand some chance of winning, that day will never come.
fledglingoflove
Nov. 2nd, 2004 09:39 pm (UTC)
That's the worst kind of attitude to have. If you don't like the Democrats or the Republicans, find a party that you can support the platforms of, and vote for it. It doesn't matter that it won't win in this particular election. If you do nothing, nothing changes. Throw away the old conception that your vote doesn't matter, because if everyone felt that way, nothing would ever change. Remember, if third parties could never win, we'd still be picking between Whigs and Democrats.
vorkon
Nov. 2nd, 2004 10:39 pm (UTC)
Wasn't that the Whigs and the Republicans?

Admittedly, they called themselves the Democratic Republicans back then, but still...
brentdax
Nov. 3rd, 2004 12:38 am (UTC)
The Democratic-Republicans became the Democrats; their first successful candidate was Jefferson. The Republicans were started by an anti-slavery group; their first winning candidate was Lincoln. Amazing how the parties have changed...
vorkon
Nov. 5th, 2004 02:30 pm (UTC)
>.>;;;
haibane_rachan
Nov. 2nd, 2004 09:39 pm (UTC)
A vote for nothing changes nothing. Deciding not to vote at all is essentially a vote for everything to stay the same. You've just expressed that you don't care for the current system, so wtf are you doing?

You've just given up your right to complain about the state of the US for the next four years.
brentdax
Nov. 3rd, 2004 01:17 am (UTC)
southernbeatnik
Nov. 2nd, 2004 01:27 pm (UTC)
Go anarchy!
/fanning the flame
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